Oak Meadows Ranch

If Oak Meadows Ranch Was Saying This on Facebook Certain Individuals Would Be Calling Animal Control and the DA. Just like they did. Almost every rescue / sanctuary does. Even expected to sell 14 year old personally owned cars they had issues over.

See you vindictive few exvolunteers rescues and sanctuaries ask for donations. Just because a rescue / sanctuary asks for donations doesn’t mean a board member must pay out of their own pocket or sell their personal belongings or they starve animals. You’re vindictive because you couldn’t buy a sanctuary horse. A horse maybe the previous owner that donated the horse paid $8,000 2 months before donating the horse with the promise we’d never sell it.

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Oak Meadows Ranch Horse Rescue / Sanctuary - Rylee Calabretta is One of the Reasons There Was One Oak Meadows Ranch has alway been a Rescue / Sanctuary. There was never any intentions to Rescue Rehab Rehome our plan was always to Rescue Rehab and Share wi...

I guess Holly Wilcox forgot this was the time she owned Nikita and Morgan.

Sent to Riverside County DA on 8/16/2021 Answers to Interview By Therron Hubbell 12/8/2018

Regarding Therron Hubbell:

A: Therron’s last day was November 28, 2015, I have text of him telling me goodbye. His first contact with the Ranch was May 19, 2014. He did inform me he had taken Equine Therapy with Susan Donaldson in Norco and that it had helped so he wanted to continue his therapy. He did verify that we were giving free therapy to Veterans.

Debbie responds Therron Hubbell sent an email to Oak Meadows Ranch on May 19, 2014 to volunteer on the ranch. We have the detailed email. I have many texts communication between myself with Therron Hubbell. He never had a problem with the ranch or our feed or grain.

When Therron told me about his therapy with Susan Donaldson I asked if he would introduce me to her and he agreed. Susan was thrilled to come to the ranch and she started doing Equine Therapy on the property with a woman who had Anxiety Problems. The woman was sponsoring a horse named Barney for $100.00 per month who was around 23 years old and in good condition. She would come out every other day and brush and talk to Barney, I even assisted Susan in a therapy session and it was a great experience. Susan would donate money to the ranch for her time doing therapy on the ranch. Barney died in his stall on May 25, 2016 for no obvious reasons exactly like Chance died a month earlier. The more I look back the more it seems that every horse that earned money for the ranch died off and the name Brandon keeps coming up. Now I wonder if he kicked Barney like he did Yabo and my dog Lucky.

B: Therron was only on the ranch 18 months total and Jennifer and her husband had been feeding, caring for the horses and helping on the ranch approximately 1 year before Therron came to the ranch and were feeding the horses until November 2014 and that’s when we let Therron be volunteer manager so it was 12 months not 18.

C: Therron helped his wife Stacey who was a temp 1099 in my office at Granite Shield.

D: I never fought with Therron; I treated him like a brother always trying to keep him from committing su***de. Debbie has months of texts that she and Therron communicated and talked on the ranch as well He would come to the ranch and say his wife stopped him from hanging himself in the garage with the extension cord. I would let him brush and walk Duchess which became his therapy horse while he was on the ranch. His last day verified by a text on November 28, 2015 stated he had to leave because of his stress level and he needed to get a paying job and he harbored no ill will to us. Text will be provided.

E: Therron admits he has no horse experience.

F: The hay feeding was determined by the weight and quality of the bales available. Animal Control was on our ranch every other month since 2014 and never found an underweight horse. I knew how to feed horses and he is lying about any conversations. The email from Willa Bagwell Executive Director of Animal Friends of the Valleys from March 13, 2014 will confirm that.

Debbie responds please see the resume of DVM Charles Edgerly. A Veterinarian for small and large animals for approximately 40 years. Craig and Debbie had approximately 4 years of training almost on a daily basis from DVM Charles Edgerly and assisted him with any animal care, medical need, colic and trained how to properly feed horses and farm animals.

G: I have no knowledge whether he did research or not.

Debbie responds DVM Charles Edgerly graduated from UC Davis please refer to his resume.

H: We never underfed the horses see Animal Control inspections. We had one on October 15, 2015

I: False accusations I always fed enough.

Debbie responds none of the horses have ever missed a meal or animals and are fed the appropriate amount of food for them. We always had access to funds to pay for feed.

J: So now he says the horse’s maintained their weight. How is that possible if we were underfeeding? Colic did not cause the horses to lose weight but worms did. We would worm them and up their feed to fix the weight loss. Cribbing is a habit caused by boredom the Cribbers we had on the ranch were brought to us in that condition. We tried cribbing collars which would end up choking the horse so we found that by putting them in pasture with hotwire fencing, they had nothing to crib on and after a few months it cured them. It’s also a mild shock and not harmful to the horses. How can heat cause weight loss on a horse this is false, cold would make them burn more calories and we would feed more in the cold months.

K: This is true they took all the water bottles which Debbie and I provided for the ranch and would recycle them and buy more feed with our recyclables.

L: The best way to feed a horse is alfalfa, for both nutrition and price. 1 bale of hay cost $16.00 and weighed 100 to 120 pounds. It usually had 15 flakes or more in it and your average horse needs one flake per feeding. That’s a cost of $1.00 per horse per feeding. When feeding pellets or hay stretcher it takes 5 pounds of pellets so the 50 pound bag would only feed 10 horses for a cost of $2.00 per horse. Therron never did the math and it was a waste of money.

Debbie responds personally I prefer alfalfa and grain such as rice bran, beet pulp, senior to supplements. Just like for a human you can go to a vitamin store and buy vitamins but not all vitamins are good for you. The same as supplements for horses, some aren’t good and actually can make a horse sick. Today our horses are healthier than ever and I do believe it is because they are not getting all the crap the volunteers gave to some of the horses that the volunteers did not get permission to give to the horses.

M: There were 72 horses at the most.

N: We bought feed every day or weekly, He admits we bought hay at Menifee Feed. And when we had to transfer money to that credit card it was a transfer of our own funds to Blue Pearl Project and Therron admits he talks to Debbie.

O: I did not owe money to Menifee feed. Their hay was more costly than Round up Feed and they did not deliver, so when we ordered hay from Round Up it was for delivery and if Round Up could not deliver we bought from Menifee Feed because it was 10 minutes away. We continued to buy from both until we moved, we had an account with Round Up and we did get behind for a while and Chris the owner would come over because he lived 10 minutes down the road. We would agree on a payment plan and they continued to supply us. We paid with debit card more than checks. Round Up was paid in full when we moved the ranch.

P: Therron was trained by Debbie’s daughter Jennifer and son in law how to feed horses and every day I worked with Therron and taught him the proper way to make wet feed and what supplements and medicine to give the horses. We only had 72 horses; Therron stated on M. that we had 70 to 80 horses now it’s up to 90 I wish he would make up his mind and remember his lies. Debbie also communicated how to feed with Therron.

Debbie responds it was required by our insurance company a release of liability was to be signed. The insurance was close to $800 per month for a visitor or volunteer to come onto the property.

Q: The sanctuaried horses were not sponsored or boarded, they were given to the ranch with the understanding they would live there the rest of their lives and we honored our word and contracts. We started the ranch as a sanctuary but could rehome and we did. We rescued a painted horse that a Native American which did The Talking Circle in our tipi liked the horse, we named it Apache.

Therron had an attachment to Apache and decided he would call the horse Sioux. When we adopted him out Therron was very upset. The horse was rescued by a volunteer on our ranch and she was a trainer who rode him and he was ride able and we always had pellets for the horses that needed additional nutrition. Regarding floating teeth. Our Vet named DVM Charles Edgerly inspected Apache and said he did not need its teeth floated. Therron decided he was going to become a teeth floater and went to a school for 2 weeks in Idaho I believe. When he got back he had changed. He did not have a license to float teeth by the Veterinarian’s board, so it was illegal for him to do so without a Vet there to assist.

Therron and Doc had a loud disagreement inside our tipi because Therron was wanting to do Floating without a Vet. Doc was actually the Vet who helped write the laws in Sacramento regarding Floating Teeth. Therron said he was going to pull teeth and everything which he was not legally able to do. When Therron mentioned pulling horses teeth really upset Debbie.

Therron started having mini seizures on the ranch after he got back. Barbara Barnaba and I helped take care of him during one of these seizures, it came on without any warning and he just sat there and couldn’t speak for at least 15 minutes.

R: Regarding floating teeth. Our Vet named Dr. Charles Edgerly inspected the horses and said they did not need their teeth floated. Therron decided he was going to become a teeth floater and went to a school for 2 weeks in Idaho I believe. When he got back he had changed. He did not have a license to float teeth by the veterinarian’s board, so it was illegal for him to do so without a vet there to assist.

Therron and Doc had a loud disagreement inside our Tipi because Theron was wanting to do Floating without a Vet. Doc was actually the Vet who helped write the laws in Sacramento regarding Floating Teeth. Therron said he was going to pull teeth and everything which he was not legally able to do.

Horse’s teeth all grow at a different rate and some never need their teeth floated; out of the 72 horses we have had we just had Dr. Wetzel from Temeku Equine come out and out of 72 horses we had only 4 horses needed their teeth floated.

S: His statements were false, the pastured horses were riding horses and none of them were lame. Some were sanctuaried but not all. I never discussed a list of sanctuaried horses we discussed that were available for adoption

T: JJ condition was inoperable per the Vets from UC Davis and all the other vets that inspected him. He was leaking lymph not blood and even when he was down he was able to get back up. He was happy and content and not suffering so who is qualified to decide when to kill a horse. It’s a matter of quality of life and JJ was happy until the end. We did not receive $800.00 to keep JJ alive he was one of 13 horses that we were paid $800 per month for all 13 which was from Spirit Rescue. That’s only $61.00 per horse per month and because JJ was on alfalfa and a wet bucket it cost $90.00 per month to feed him so it wasn’t because we were making money we lost money every month.

U: The statement is false there was never an option for surgery and we never had a discussion about it. The Vet from Animal Friends of the Valleys Animal Control Laurie Proctor inspected JJ during one of their false visits and knew what the condition was and did not agree to have him put down. Check Animal Control reports.

V: Pete had a bad hip but got along fine even getting up and down. Horses never need to lie down; they have locking knees which allows them to sleep standing up. Each time Pete went down and when it became more difficult for him I would suggest it would be time to put him down. Pete was also one of the 13 horses we rescued from Spirit Rescue and he was used for therapy, we had children on the ranch that painted him in water colors and then we would give him a bath. He was never standing in a foot of manure we had volunteers cleaning stalls continuously of myself, Debbie, kids, volunteers would do it.

W: We never had a foot of manure in the stalls. Any horse can get thrush, we had one horse we rescued that even in pasture where there was no wet spots he would get thrush and abyss’s we only left an inch of dried manure in the stalls since that helped the horses feet because it was softer and kept them from eating sand when they were fed. We treated thrush with Betadine or Thrush Buster on any horse that got it. Again Animal Control inspected almost monthly and never found any evidence of this statement.

Debbie responds I inspected the ranch and animals a minimum of 2 times each day. Before volunteers or visitors came on the property, may times between 12 PM and 3 PM and evenings after volunteers and visitors had left. Inspections I did included looking at all the horses and animals, checking to see if they were laying down, condition of the stall, condition of the water bucket, how much water they had, if their stall needed cleaning or a broken water pipe. Water buckets were placed in areas that all a horse had to do is stick it’s head into another horse’s stall. This is a group of people that are a volunteer and falsifying information for their gain. I always reported to Craig the conditions. If a horse was down and I couldn’t get the horse up I called Craig. We have never had a foot of manure. I have thousands of photos and videos almost on a daily basis and my photos and videos do not show that.

X: Our Farrier charged $35.00 and he came out at least every 2 weeks and we would do the longest horses and then volunteers and sponsors would pay for additional horses. Horses needed trims at different times. The horses in pasture would wear theirs down so they only needed it maybe once every 3 to 4 months.

Debbie responds the majority of the horse’s hooves were not paid by sponsors or volunteers. Very little was donated to the ranch so the majority of the ranch bills paid from Craig and Debbie. Considering the insurance was so high it really would have been better to not allow volunteers or visitors and just hire a ranch hand but Craig and Debbie wanted to share the unwanted horses with those that wanted to be with horses but for whatever reason couldn’t. It was made clear to all we are a sanctuary.

Y: We had at least around 30 volunteers who would come out to the ranch at different times and sometimes never see another one because they just missed each other. Sandy was a paid volunteer by a County Program and she only was allowed 12 to 15 hours a week by the SERTZ program. She did not buy or supply food to our knowledge except she would buy treats for the horses. She only worked with 4 horses per visit and sometimes could water more than the 4.

Debbie responds I have been contacted for years, several times per week male and female of all ages asking to volunteer on the ranch. Many find it therapeutic to clean horse’s stalls, love on them, groom them. We had on the ranch daily doing chores such as mucking stalls. The only time I saw bad conditions is when we had rain. I also have photos and videos of our rain storms.

Z: Yes Granite Shield made most of the money for the ranch. I did not ask Therron to work for me I hired his wife and he volunteered his time to help her. I never paid Therron money just his wife and she was part time 1099 we did not set hours or expectation. We were never a year behind on product.

1. Since we did not get enough donations other than about $3000.00 per month and since it costs $7200 per month just to feed we had to donate our profits to the rescue to pay the bills.
2. He never adopted the horse; he never paid a dime for sponsorship. We had many sponsored horses on the ranch as a source of income. We did adopt many horses out if the person proved reliable.
3. We did not mix products they were premade, there were no toxic products and all MSDS forms were in the office if he asked. We did not need respiratory protection.
4. Doc had been a large animal Vet for 20 years, and then switched to a small animal vet for 20 years and then retired and came to our ranch we have purchase receipts which show vaccines purchased by Doc and were given to the horses. He also treated and vaccinated the cats and dogs.
5. The property was leased by Blue Pearl Project Inc. and guaranteed by Craig and Debbie. Debbie and I made decisions on the ranch.
6. Animal Control always said we met minimum level of care. When Therron asked if he could Adopt Duchess I replied she was our therapy horse and was sanctuaried by contract along with the other horse we rescued from a Veterans wife who was moving out of country to be with her husband who stationed abroad. I never told him $10,000 dollars because I could not adopt Duchess out. Are you seeing the pattern yet? Everyone who was denied adopting a horse has attacked me and lied to get what they want.

Debbie responds it was always made clear Duchess is a sanctuaried horse and therapy horse. She was not available for rehoming for any amount of money.
7. Therron was on medication and informed me he was smoking ma*****na to control his anxiety and depression. He was suicidal and suffering mini strokes.
8. I agreed Dallas should be put down but Melodee Latta was able to approach and take care of Dallas so I left Dallas in her care and the care of Dr. Chris Huth the vet. Until Holly Wilcox adopted him for Melodee Latta.

Debbie responds Dallas was under DVM. Chris Huth’s care should DVM Chris Huth suggest Dallas needed to be put down he would have.
9. He never talked to me about the feeling of the horses. And Debbie does have a connection and did know what the horses wanted and needed.
10. He left because we wouldn’t sell him Duchess. We rescued this horse on May 26, 2015 about 6 PM. The horse was just picked up in Hemet where it had been abandoned and left in a large field we were attempting to round it up when it tripped in a gopher hole and collapsed on the ground we were able to get it up. We brought back to the ranch and it wasn’t hot in May and it was very thin. The horse died on a foggy morning May 28, 2015 and it had seemed fine. It had nothing to do with weather. We try to save them all but sometimes you can’t. She must have had internal injuries from her fall before we picked her up. Debbie has many photos regarding this horse.
11. This horse named Princess was part of the 13 rescued horses. She died June 9, 2015 she was not Colicing and it did not go on all day. Doc determined the horse had a stroke and yes it was having convulsion and throwing itself to the ground. I asked Holly Wilcox and Therron to leave the ranch so I could put the horse down. I did shoot it in the head with my 9mm to put it out of its misery. I did not want Holly or Theron to witness this as it’s very sad to take a life and Therron couldn’t handle it. She was also about 30 yrs old. Doc was there to witness and pronounce her dead.
12. The one in the round pen died on her own from her injuries. I did not shoot the horse.
13. Debbie did document the horse dying and Doc did come to the ranch and it just passed away.
14. He was having mini strokes and that’s when he would tell me his neck and head hurt we have a text conversation about him going to my Chiropractor at ChiroMed in Murrieta.
15. It was not his horse.
16. We had around 60 chickens were for sale or trade and there was no more than 20 free range chickens. The boxes in the garage were brooder boxes. After chickens hatched they were put into the main chicken coops. These were purebred chickens worth about $50.00 per piece to help feed the animals.

Debbie responds there were not hundreds of chickens. The brooder boxes in the garage or barn were not used for years. They were for baby chicks and when they grew up were put in a chicken coop. There was the main chicken coop that Debbie designed and Craig and Debbie built that had what we call a screened in patio. Chickens inside the coop were able to go in and out through a door. They were not locked into the main chicken coop. Their water and food was in the screened in patio area. The chicken coop cost approximately $3,500 in material. The large chicken coop and patio was considered the chicken hospital. They all were saved either from their momma hen killed by a coyote or they had an injury. The smaller chicken coops inside contained small Silkie purebred chickens. There was a dog crate with a mean rooster and a couple of baby ducks that were purchased at Tractor Supply that were donated to the ranch and when they got larger were put in a large dog kennel with a swimming pool and dog house. Outside chicken coops contained purebred chickens many that are rare. Debbie has photos of the chicken coops being built. They are 2 story with a ladder. The chicken decides if they want to be upstairs or downstairs. The chickens were fed daily approximately 3 quarts of Layer Pellets and chicken scratch. Sometimes the chickens were fed in the morning, sometimes in the evening depending on how much feed they still had left on the ground from the day before. The ground was watered daily so they could scratch the ground of fluff their feathers and roll in the dirt. They were watered on a daily basis. There was an area that had concrete pavers, a plastic chair and a toilet bowl brush to clean and fill the water containers. Around late 2016 / early 2017 Debbie replaced the water containers with galvanized 2 gallon water containers from Tractor Supply that cost approximately $27.99 each so the chicken coops would have lots of water. Sometimes the chicken would scratch and dirt would go onto the water containers and a hose was used to remove the dirt or mud. Debbie was the one that did most of the care for the chickens until Jimmy came on the ranch early 2017. Jimmy wanted to care for most of the animals at that time or over see the care. Debbie communicated with Jimmy by phone or text on a daily basis in 2017 making sure the care and feeding was done, if not Debbie did it or made sure someone else did it. Diatomachious earth was put in all chicken coops and the manure was sold to those that garden. The chicken coops were scraped clean and hosed out. Debbie designed the tortoise condo and enclosure. Craig and Paige built it. Paige helped build many things on the ranch. The Tortoise condo included a radiator heater and was hosed out often. The tortoise ate romaine lettuce, fruits and vegetables. Debbie has many photos of the chickens and tortoises.
17. There were only 30 chickens in the main coop and they had a door to the screened in patio we used diatomaceous earth to control mites we did buy feed and they all had water and Debbie would clean them out to sell the chicken manure and then hose out the coops. The chicken manure was also used for fertilizer for the California Pepper trees on the ranch. The chickens in each coop were fed approximately 3 quarts per day of Lay Mash and Chicken Scratch. If the chickens were fed late afternoon / early evening they got more food so that when they came down from their second level chicken coop there was food for them around 5 AM to 6 AM in the morning. Many times Debbie would water them between 8:00 AM to 10:30 AM, when it would be very warm outside Debbie would mist them with a hose and add water to their dishes. Many times the water dishes were filled later afternoon. There was an area by the ranch house Debbie had concrete pavers, a chair and scrub brush to clean the chicken water bowls. In the future Debbie purchased approximately 13 2 gallon galvanized chicken waterers from Tractor Supply. Each costing approximately $27.99 each so the chickens could have more water and easy to spray water into. Debbie would wet down the dirt in the chicken area so that they could scratch for fresh ground worms and fluff their wings in the dirt.
18. They were brooder boxes and the chickens all had plenty of room to move around then would be moved to the bigger coop when they were big enough. The chickens in the garage were the free range chickens that came with the ranch and they would sleep in the rafters.
19. Therron, I and other volunteers took care of the cats in the office we always supplied cat food and litter for the cats. They never starved and I don’t know if Therron bought cat food or litter.

Debbie responds we all took care of the cats in the L shaped building. If they were low on food or water it was given to them. Craig was in that building everyday. If food or litter needed to be purchased it was. We never asked a volunteer to buy feed or litter for the cats.
20. There were 2 cats and 4 kittens which Janelle took the kittens and sold them. We released the two cats into the barn and they were soon eaten by the owl. After Jennifer and her husband left the ranch. Therron couldn’t wait to clean out the bedroom and he took Jennifer’s dog without anyone’s permission. Debbie rescued 6 cats later and put them in the bedroom of the ranch house where she cared for them. The cats never went days without food. The minute anyone needed cat food or litter, Debbie already has some or it was purchased the same day.
21. The Log Cabin became the cat house.

Debbie responds the Log Cabin costs approximately $5,800 and was meant for the 6 cats. There was never more than 6 cats in the Log Cabin. The Log Cabin was very insulated and was comfortable. The logs on the side, the big oak tree and the ventilation on the roof kept the Log Cabin cool. If it was cold the cats had a radiator heater. They had a fan. They did have a self cleaning litter box but it wasn’t working properly. The Log Cabin had a doggy door and windows. They had several containers of water and food. If anyone is familiar with cats they move things around such as food dishes, water dishes, dump their food on the floor and even with clean litter boxes many times p*e and p**p on the floor and scratch their litter on the floor. The wood plywood was sealed and vinyl flooring was added. A Tractor Supply container contained cat food. Unfortunately 3 times my daughter Jennifer had gone missing. Once she was held against her will in an abandoned trailer in Perris. Code Enforcement found her. In about a 20 mile radius from Lake Elsinore Debbie put up fliers everywhere. Someone that worked for Code Enforcement in Perris saw one of the posted fliers and contacted Debbie that she just saw her daughter Jennifer with the guy. She gave the location and Debbie and family went to the location where Jennifer was held against her will. Debbie has photos. Darryl. Held my daughter Jennifer against her will in an abandoned trailer in Perris. Drugged her, tied her up and threatened her life. His obsession with her we believe he came onto the Bundy Canyon property and stole many of her personal items. She is still being threatened by him. The last time Jennifer went missing was approximately 2 weeks before the so called raid. Debbie has numerous texts communication with Debbie Harris regarding Jennifer was missing. Debbie has months of texts regarding Jennifer when she was missing and after the so called raid. Debbie believed Darryl found her and may do harm to her. Debbie during the day would search for her daughter. Jimmy assured her that he was caring for the animals. Debbie did her majority of the chores she was responsible for. There was daily phone and texts communication with Debbie and Jimmy. Please refer to documentation Debbie has provided.
22. There were 2 tortoises after our first one went missing. All the kids loved to come and feed the Tortoises lettuce, hay and fruit.
23. We only had 1 goat when Therron was there.
24. After Therron left the ranch we started getting calls from Code Enforcement and Animal Control on a regular basis, we did not think it was Therron at the time until we found pages of Therron telling people to call Animal Control all the time. Even though that have never stepped foot on our ranch. We even have a page screen shot where Therron brags about sitting on the hillside watch Debbie and I and as soon as we would leave the ranch someone would call Animal Control with the same line every time, no water and no hay. After every visit from Animal Control we were given a clean bill of health. I went to Animal Friends of the Valleys and complained about the harassment we were being put through so I told them I was locking my gates and they had an open door policy with us just call ahead and I would let them in. After the “raid” Officer Middleton claimed that when we locked the gate that was a sign of a problem. The problem was the fake calls and harassment as well as the surveillance Therron was doing on us. And when we were looking for a new location Therron went on Facebook and told everyone to call real-estate agents and refuse to present offers to rent, lease or sell us property all of this happened before any criminal case. That’s why we hired the Nicholas Law Firm to help us stop the harassment. Code Enforcement never cited us for a violation.
25. Therron had no experience with horses other than therapy and tried to train them which he did not know how to do so we asked him to stop ruining the horses.

Debbie responded horses we wanted to rehome we didn’t want Therron working with them because basically his lack of experience was doing harm to them. We wanted him to focus on one horse.
26. Therron did not know how to feed horses other than what I taught him. I grew up on a ranch in Utah and my Uncle raised race horses. I had been feeding since 2012 and we have an Animal Control report dated March 12, 2014 that’s when Laurie Proctor Vet was there and reported to the city of Wildomar how we fed horses and it was all good. This comment is false Debbie let many people ride Domino on trail we always use our two personal horses Bo and Domino since they were the best riding horses on the ranch.
27. Debbie ran our business from her iPhone so anytime someone saw her she was usually working. False statement we rarely sat under a tree and we always took care of the horses.
28. Barbara Barnaba was supposed to write grants and never got one. She did give therapeutic riding classes to Autistic kids and Veterans.
29. Denise Fager wanted to change our ranch from Western to English style and it did not fit our business model. She was quite abrasive and we did not see eye to eye. Changing from Western to English Denise wanted us to pay for the change out of our own pockets.
30. We did do equine assisted therapy that’s what he got when he came there. We also had Barbara, and then later Tanya Westcott was a therapist on the ranch.

Debbie responds we did do therapy on the ranch. We have newspaper story regarding it and hundreds of photos and videos. Even a newspaper story when Holly Wilcox was interviewed stating when she volunteers she helps clean horse stalls. She admitted to mucking stalls. Debbie has a photo of Holly being interviewed sitting next to Holly and Holly praised Oak Meadows Ranch to the reporter. No complaint came out of Hollys’s mouth.
31. I don’t believe Therron ever got a certificate in Eagala and I never practiced Eagala, but Barbara Barnaba, was a Certified Eagala Specialist and she gave the Autistic client animal assisted therapy.
32. Micah was a licensed billing specialist and was billing for the therapists using Oak Meadows Ranch. We have rehomed many horses so we are not hoarder’s just ranchers. Oak Meadows failed because the economy crashed the year we opened, and the horse industry became glutted with abandoned horses, so the market for rehoming horses dried. Our personal finances suffered from the recession of 2012. And people like this group kept telling everyone not to donate money to us out of spite when we would not sell them a sanctuaried or our personal horses that we bought for a trail riding program. The people allowed to manage the ranch were the same ones who were sabotaging the ranch at the same time.
33. Every horse rescue that is not licensed were called flippers they take someone’s loving horse and tell them they would never sell them and then would sell them immediately or take them to slaughter. Many of the rescues are being abused by these flippers who conn people into shutting down good rescues so they can take the horses and flip them. The horses were donated to the ranch because we refused to be a flipper or sell horses to slaughter. We rehomed many great riding horses the lame ones were offered as companion horses to people who don’t ride but love to take care of animals.
34. Every one of these people that adopted horses killed them, it is safer for the horse not to adopt them. We rescued the horses and allowed people on the ranch to be with horses, as many of them said to get their horse fix. Therron wasn’t here to buy a horse but to get therapy. If I had let him buy Duchess I could not have a let an Autistic girl named Lea become so much better because she rode Duchess, we never offered to sell Duchess because she was sanctuaried and our only therapy horse small enough for children.
35. The movement on Facebook was caused by Kara Stotesbury Johnson who was a volunteer on our ranch and wanted to buy the sanctuaried horse named Goldie along with our good riding horse named Outlaw. Debbie has all the texts communication about this. When we refused Kara went to Forgotten Horses Rescue. They are on 1.88 acres of land and exceed the amount of horses they have on their property. They have already had a reputation of calling Animal Control and the city with fake accusations. They go to Mike’s Livestock Auction and take photos of the horses available asking and receiving thousands in donations per horse through PayPal that night then the majority of the horses they purchase disappear. They receive donated horses with the promise to keep forever and within a week the previous owner cannot find their horse they donated. If they managed to shut down our rescue they were ready to pick up all the horses then they flip them or sell them at auction and probably to horse slaughter. Many of our horses are old and they would probably just sell them to a kill buyer. Kara started a page and made it look like we were under investigation and that’s when we had so many visits by Animal Control and passed every single inspection like the one March 12, 2014 . If you read Debbie and Kara’s text communication what was said before March 12, 2014 is completely different from what she says now including Therron, Paige, Melodee and Holly. And we hired attorney Raxter Law to write a Cease and Desist letter and file a lawsuit. Documentation is provided. When Kara and those harassing us were served a Cease and Desist letter and the lawsuit, our security dog named Zeus was poisoned the next day. We rushed him to the vet and the vet found sweet horse feed laced with poison and we have no poison on our ranch, and Kara was always making sweet feed treats for the horses. What a coincidence.

Debbie responds I have so much documentation that proves Kara and Therron are liars. I have my texts communication. This is all about modern day horse theft.
36. Jenna wanted to adopt Charlie who was rescued by our first board of director named Luanne. He was very emaciated and a horrible cribber. He had been attacked on the property we picked him up from by 5 pit bulls and had at least 7 holes clear through his skin. We called the Vet and it took 3 months to heal Charlie, and then he asked me to ride him for the first time and he was the best trail rider, Jenna worked to rehabilitate Charlie and she volunteered all the time. We considered Charley our mascot and did not want to adopt him out so Jenna bought another horse.

In summary we refused to sell a horse that was sanctuaried and refused to make him a paid manager and so he went on the attack calling Code Enforcement with fake claims and Animal Control with fake claims and harassed and spied and caused us severe trauma watching us all the time. He even followed me to the new property, posted our address on Facebook and spied on us there and made fake calls to Code Enforcement and Animal Control that we passed every time as well.

Debbie is now paranoid and afraid for her life due to these unwarranted attacks, she now has anxiety she has to see a doctor for and in January 2018 Debbie got very sick. Debbie has the Facebook communication of Therron posting about contacting all real estate agents in the area to not lease or sell a property or home to Craig and Debbie and that Therron followed Craig to the new location and posted the address on Facebook. Debbie has months worth of texts from both Therron Hubbell and Kara Stotesbury Johnson proving Craig and the one’s telling the truth and the others are not telling the truth. It’s a financial gain for Kara Stotesbury Johnson and or Forgotten Horses Rescue to get the horses from Oak Meadows Ranch.